One thing that stuck out to me is that the verdict was quick and clean. No overlong deliberations, no partial verdict, but no rush to judgement either. And I think the fact that he's a convicted felon in this case will be easy to stick to him if we make it stick, because it's part of who Trump is. He's always been a scummy, crappy NYC scammer, and maybe it looked good for him when he got away with it, but now he got busted for one of his scummy little scams.
Really annoyed with knee-jerk takes like the Frank Bruni piece in NYT arguing that "it won't matter". It seems like people are already talking themselves into thinking a non-incarceration sentence will be a loss, and the fact of an upcoming appeal means the trial isn't really over, and his support is rock solid. Like they've internalized the idea of Teflon Don so much that they can't even take a guilty verdict at face value.
I'm also kind of annoyed with the "nobody is above the law but we're going to stay above the fray" messaging. Screw that. He's a con and a convict, and the only reason he isn't a convicted felon in other cases already is that he's got his own little "deep state" of GOP federal judges gumming up the works on his behalf. Rich irony. I think justice has been served regardless of his sentence. His status as a convicted felon is now a matter of public record and I think Democrats from Biden on down should be talking about it frankly and openly.
💯% correct, Kishor! That they came to a unanimous conclusion on ALL charges, and did so quickly, is a critical fact and SHOUKS be part of the Dems narrative. Let’s do this!
I think a lot of average people will keep repeating that word every day, but will Democratic leaders? Will the Biden campaign? If they don't, what you're hoping for won't happen.
Ghost plagiarized versions of your write-up which translate into demands for 11 distinct public stances/positions have been written and sent off to my Congressman Beyer and Senators Warner and Kaine.
If I’m a convicted felon in Florida, who, a few years ago, briefly had hope that I would be reinstated as a voter only to have DeSantis & Co. take that hope away, I would be very excited for DeSantis to change the rules because then I’d make a case that what was good for one felon was good for another and if I were any elected Dem in the state of Florida, I’d be making the case for that right this minute.
>> Anyone who showed enough curiosity to learn how the somewhat obscure law Trump violated works, and how broadly it’s applied, has known for a long time now that this prosecution was well-predicated.
Yeah this pissed me off reading a Jeff Maurer take the other day, because he kept pretending no one had ever explained this legal theory.
I think a lot of pundits were being intentionally dense because the case triggered their both-sides reflexes.
A weird tic of conservative thinking is that the only true corruption is corruption for personal gain, and corruption to achieve political goals is not corrupt in the same way. And of course Trump has engaged in corruption for personal gain as well.
An error: Trump will be allowed to vote for himself. The laws governing this come the state in which he was convicted, not the laws in the state he resides. And FL laws says they will use the laws in the state if conviction.
Also, if he becomes candidate he will be allowed confidential info because that’s a federal rule and this is a state conviction. On the other hand he can’t pardon himself if he becomes President for the very same reason.
I hope you keep challenging the spineless Democrats, Brian, but I fear they are not listening. The old game is dead. If the Dems don’t start playing the new game, we are all sunk.
Friend, neither of the parties is particularly interested in preserving representative democracy… its just a rat race, cycle to cycle, to aggregate power.
Nor are the larger levers of “mainstream media” interested in journalism… but are focused on click-through rates as advanced by the “outrage” machine desires of shareholder value.
I have passed through the five stages of grief and come to the (albeit cynical) understanding: our republic either needs to eliminate all PRIVATE funding from election cycles, resign itself to being a shell of oligarchic machination… or painfully go through another “revolution”.
I am glad that buffoon is being held to account… somewhat. However, he is a symptom and not the disease.
Do you have any confidence whatsoever, that the people with the physical, material, financial, tactical, armament "chops", resources, skills, and relevant talents for making America:
"painfully go through another “revolution”."
........would support any governing system you would remotely like?
If so, what gives you that confidence?
If you have a critique of the so-called "uniparty" that can be roughly characterized as being from "the left", and is motivated by desiring to serve better than our current constitutional and electoral set-up the economic and demographic "underdogs" of our society, or even just simply be optimized for the median American or modal (statistically most common) American, physical disorder and anarchy is not the way to get there.
People you want that ain't gonna revolt shit, and can't win a civil war, listen to this cat, Killer Mike, tell the brutal truth about it:
Meatheads, cultists, religious weirdos, farmers, physical property owners, gun nuts and lovers of outdoor and extreme and survivalist sports, and occasionally, profit-oriented street gangs do best in physical chaos.....nobody else.
There’s not a one of your thoughts as to what should happen, and what the puling dEMOs and The Democrats (TM) should do that misses the mark.
But they play to lose, instead. Either the Repugs hold kompromat on key Democratic Party leadership, or in the end they hope — the cowards — that by keeping quiet they’ll be personally ok under a MAGA regime.
With few exceptions, we see what the dEMOs and The Democrats (TM) are in governance and we see what they are in campaign: weak, flabby, venal and unutile.
If it were not Trump and billionaire-backed MAGA we’re facing, I’d go out of my way to not vote D.
(I don’t know if the depths of my disdain for the mainstream Democratic Party leaks through quite enough in this remark, so I want to make sure to point it out. Some Leftists they are!)
Since, believe it or not, the Dem pols and strategists who Brian and the commenters here wish would do things differently do *not* crave Brian's validation or that of the commenters here, including mine.
It might be of interest to share that former RNC chairman Michael Steele* broadly *AGREES WITH BRIAN* and thinks it is BONEHEADED not to.
*Who I think I shared an elevator ride with a couple months back at the Dr.'s office.
One thing that stuck out to me is that the verdict was quick and clean. No overlong deliberations, no partial verdict, but no rush to judgement either. And I think the fact that he's a convicted felon in this case will be easy to stick to him if we make it stick, because it's part of who Trump is. He's always been a scummy, crappy NYC scammer, and maybe it looked good for him when he got away with it, but now he got busted for one of his scummy little scams.
Really annoyed with knee-jerk takes like the Frank Bruni piece in NYT arguing that "it won't matter". It seems like people are already talking themselves into thinking a non-incarceration sentence will be a loss, and the fact of an upcoming appeal means the trial isn't really over, and his support is rock solid. Like they've internalized the idea of Teflon Don so much that they can't even take a guilty verdict at face value.
I'm also kind of annoyed with the "nobody is above the law but we're going to stay above the fray" messaging. Screw that. He's a con and a convict, and the only reason he isn't a convicted felon in other cases already is that he's got his own little "deep state" of GOP federal judges gumming up the works on his behalf. Rich irony. I think justice has been served regardless of his sentence. His status as a convicted felon is now a matter of public record and I think Democrats from Biden on down should be talking about it frankly and openly.
💯% correct, Kishor! That they came to a unanimous conclusion on ALL charges, and did so quickly, is a critical fact and SHOUKS be part of the Dems narrative. Let’s do this!
I really do hope that “felon” becomes the new “emails”. Just need everyone to keep repeating that word every day until November. Drip, drip, drip…
I think a lot of average people will keep repeating that word every day, but will Democratic leaders? Will the Biden campaign? If they don't, what you're hoping for won't happen.
Ghost plagiarized versions of your write-up which translate into demands for 11 distinct public stances/positions have been written and sent off to my Congressman Beyer and Senators Warner and Kaine.
I think I will do the same for Senators Padilla and Butler (who’s phones always go to voicemail - lame). I will call my rep.
Noice!
“Convicted Felon” is the Only “title” this guy should ever be known as from now on. Not ever as the
EX-president! HE stole the election. He & Pecker(etc) rigged That Election.
He wouldn’t Ever have been “elected” IF this had come out before the 2016 election.
🗳️ Vote Blue.
Truth Not trump will keep you Free.
If I’m a convicted felon in Florida, who, a few years ago, briefly had hope that I would be reinstated as a voter only to have DeSantis & Co. take that hope away, I would be very excited for DeSantis to change the rules because then I’d make a case that what was good for one felon was good for another and if I were any elected Dem in the state of Florida, I’d be making the case for that right this minute.
>> Anyone who showed enough curiosity to learn how the somewhat obscure law Trump violated works, and how broadly it’s applied, has known for a long time now that this prosecution was well-predicated.
Yeah this pissed me off reading a Jeff Maurer take the other day, because he kept pretending no one had ever explained this legal theory.
I think a lot of pundits were being intentionally dense because the case triggered their both-sides reflexes.
Dick Durbin is useless.
A weird tic of conservative thinking is that the only true corruption is corruption for personal gain, and corruption to achieve political goals is not corrupt in the same way. And of course Trump has engaged in corruption for personal gain as well.
corruption for personal gain and for sexual gratification. (unless you're not an enemy)
......or for political gain.....if you're an enemy (acorn accusations)
.........The law is for thee, but not for me.......
An error: Trump will be allowed to vote for himself. The laws governing this come the state in which he was convicted, not the laws in the state he resides. And FL laws says they will use the laws in the state if conviction.
Also, if he becomes candidate he will be allowed confidential info because that’s a federal rule and this is a state conviction. On the other hand he can’t pardon himself if he becomes President for the very same reason.
I hope you keep challenging the spineless Democrats, Brian, but I fear they are not listening. The old game is dead. If the Dems don’t start playing the new game, we are all sunk.
Friend, neither of the parties is particularly interested in preserving representative democracy… its just a rat race, cycle to cycle, to aggregate power.
Nor are the larger levers of “mainstream media” interested in journalism… but are focused on click-through rates as advanced by the “outrage” machine desires of shareholder value.
I have passed through the five stages of grief and come to the (albeit cynical) understanding: our republic either needs to eliminate all PRIVATE funding from election cycles, resign itself to being a shell of oligarchic machination… or painfully go through another “revolution”.
I am glad that buffoon is being held to account… somewhat. However, he is a symptom and not the disease.
Do you have any confidence whatsoever, that the people with the physical, material, financial, tactical, armament "chops", resources, skills, and relevant talents for making America:
"painfully go through another “revolution”."
........would support any governing system you would remotely like?
If so, what gives you that confidence?
If you have a critique of the so-called "uniparty" that can be roughly characterized as being from "the left", and is motivated by desiring to serve better than our current constitutional and electoral set-up the economic and demographic "underdogs" of our society, or even just simply be optimized for the median American or modal (statistically most common) American, physical disorder and anarchy is not the way to get there.
People you want that ain't gonna revolt shit, and can't win a civil war, listen to this cat, Killer Mike, tell the brutal truth about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM0wBiSGW-8
Meatheads, cultists, religious weirdos, farmers, physical property owners, gun nuts and lovers of outdoor and extreme and survivalist sports, and occasionally, profit-oriented street gangs do best in physical chaos.....nobody else.
Combat Democratic Eeyorism.
NO PARDON!!!! Only Orange Jumpsuit to match his skin! JULY 11!!!!!
Well said.
There’s not a one of your thoughts as to what should happen, and what the puling dEMOs and The Democrats (TM) should do that misses the mark.
But they play to lose, instead. Either the Repugs hold kompromat on key Democratic Party leadership, or in the end they hope — the cowards — that by keeping quiet they’ll be personally ok under a MAGA regime.
With few exceptions, we see what the dEMOs and The Democrats (TM) are in governance and we see what they are in campaign: weak, flabby, venal and unutile.
If it were not Trump and billionaire-backed MAGA we’re facing, I’d go out of my way to not vote D.
(I don’t know if the depths of my disdain for the mainstream Democratic Party leaks through quite enough in this remark, so I want to make sure to point it out. Some Leftists they are!)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/really-michael-steele-stunned-by-boneheaded-biden-on-trump-advice/ar-BB1nnHDf?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=911633ae3ecc42f298535fae2292eea2&ei=18
Since, believe it or not, the Dem pols and strategists who Brian and the commenters here wish would do things differently do *not* crave Brian's validation or that of the commenters here, including mine.
It might be of interest to share that former RNC chairman Michael Steele* broadly *AGREES WITH BRIAN* and thinks it is BONEHEADED not to.
*Who I think I shared an elevator ride with a couple months back at the Dr.'s office.